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Post by IgnorantBoy on May 6, 2007 8:21:16 GMT -7
Rusty,
Most people think that all participants in shows without "Natural" tag (Like IFBB shows) are using drugs. What do you think?
It may be difficult to define what "natural" means. Using supplements from health store may also be Not natural. You have already said that you did not use steroids or synthol that kind of drugs as you take good care of your body for your family. As a classic bodybuilder as you are, aesthetics is the most important. There is no need to use those drugs as they could not improve aesthetics, right?
If you do not mind, could you tell us more about your theory of using supplements together with diets?
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Post by crom on May 6, 2007 15:46:20 GMT -7
All pros use gear.
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Post by yorge on May 6, 2007 17:35:01 GMT -7
"all pros use gear"
Except for maybe Markus Ruhl. I'm pretty sure he is natural.
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Post by crom on May 6, 2007 21:19:56 GMT -7
D-oh!!!
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Post by crom on May 6, 2007 21:40:12 GMT -7
Just out of curiosity what would make you think that a "classic"
bodybuilder would not use anabolics? Arnold, Zane, Labrada etc...
are all considered classics, and all of them used anabolics. Steroids are not just about size. Do you think the term "classic" means a smaller bodybuilder? Rusty does have classic lines, but he's also quite huge! The juice thing really is a persons private business anyway.
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Post by IgnorantBoy on May 6, 2007 23:25:12 GMT -7
Rusty is always said to be a "Classic bodybuilder" by the media. Rusty is huge although not as huge as the top pros. Rusty's physique is however, balanced, symmetrical and aesthetic. I think that most pros on top of Rusty are only huge but their body parts don't make an aesthetic physique. I can only see muscle monsters.
I think that "classic" always refers to the "old fashion" thing. Classic also means elegant and beautiful. Yes bodybuilders of the old days were generally small in size. If Arnold is a classic bodybuilder. I don't think that Arnold is small in size in his golden days.
Todays many supplements can achieve the effects of steroids. The side effects of those supplements are minimal (or none) and are legal. I just don't see why it is necessary to use drugs nowadays for any bodybuilder whose aim is to build an aesthetic physique because methods of training and dieting are the crucial ingredients.
But the public is always attacking bodybuilders for using steroids if they don't compete in shows with the "natural" tag. But the fact is natural bodybuilding shows always don't get enough attentions.
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Post by crom on May 7, 2007 0:27:31 GMT -7
I disagree with you on the definition of "classic". Bodybuilders of the "old days" were small in size? How would you define the old days? Are we talking as compared to now? Bill Pearl was from the old days and he was Huge. As was Sergio, Mentzer, Viator, Ferrigno, Mike Katz and so on. All of these men had 20" plus arms! Hardly small. Competitive bodybuilding has never been about health. Just as most competition sports are not really about health. The use of anabolic steroids is a choice, but for those who wish to do well in high level competitons it is a must.
They are not magic. I've known many people who have used gear, and still look look like crap. It's still about blood and guts.
As far as the public... Can you say "Hypocrisy". Look at the media,
and see that there is a drug for everything! Online adds, periodicals, mail outs, and on and on. I worked in a pharmacy, and it's all hypocrisy. You would be suprised how safe steroids are compared to the other drugs out ther. Heaven forbid someone wants to enhance there body with test. I've yet to see
"supplements" produce steroid- like results. Good results yes, but
not like anabolics. If you choose to be natural great! I wish you the best. Make sure you recover, and eat your protein.
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Post by IgnorantBoy on May 7, 2007 2:27:05 GMT -7
I do not mean that bodybuilders in the old days were small in size. You are right. I only mean pro bodybuilders in the old days are generally smaller compared with the pro bodybuilders today. Pro bodybuilders in the old days always had aesthetic physique but today the direction has changed to size. Size dwarfs aesthetics in todays competitions.
For me, aesthetics is the fundamental part of bodybuilding. This sport should be an art, not like other speed competitive sports. I hope it is also a healthy one too.
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Post by bencher on May 7, 2007 6:46:34 GMT -7
To reiterate what Crom said, their is nothing healthy about most sports. They are all taken to the n'th degree. People are always trying to find ways to take it to the next level. Health is way down the list as a priority. And supplements giving steroid like effects?? Not a chance. I do agree on the statement about "natural" If you are doing anything but eat food and workout ie.. taking supplements, you are no longer natural. Over the counter supplements are even further from natural then Test is. Like I stated before, the fans are the main reason for the extreme drug use that is going on in all sports. Home runs sell tickets and t-shirts!!!! And 22-23" arms put butts in seats and increase magazine sales. You can go to any gym and see muscular 16" arms on 200lb bodies, and you can see those for free.
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Post by yorge on May 7, 2007 10:15:51 GMT -7
Ahh, how I love this discussion!!!! It is important to understand that there is not a single supplement that even comes close to producing the results of AAS. And that by using AAS a bodybuilder may still retain the classic genetic lines with which he was born, but he will maximize the overall mass and fullness of his muscles. It is also true that some bodybuilders become huge mass monstors that don't retain the Bob Paris look (but they wouldn't have that look even if they were natural). I have all the respect in the world for those who choose to be natural, but to be competitive, even at most local shows, remaining natural is not an option.
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Post by yorge on May 7, 2007 10:22:21 GMT -7
One more thing. I agree with you, IB, that sometimes today size and mass is rewarded over aesthetics. But ideally it should be the balance of both in my opinion. This is also why many of us probably agree that Rusty should place much much higher.
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Post by Rusty Jeffers on May 9, 2007 22:41:25 GMT -7
I'll agree that I should place higher!!!!! But in answer to your quest for "natural" vs. "supplementation?" Natural BBrs will never get any magazine or attention, because it's just too average..no one strives to see "average" Even the best of the naturals probably wouldn't win a state level contest nowadays. Take a look at the last guy that won the Cal, he looked phenomenal..the best of the best natural competitive bodybuilder probably couldn't stand next to him. Crom is right, huge puts butts in the seat, or was that bencher? The mass monsters don't have aesthetic physiques as perhaps mine is, but that doesn't mean much lately, does it? Look like I need to get bigger!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how I'm gonna do that?? wink wink wink
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Post by bencher on May 10, 2007 9:44:24 GMT -7
Get bigger huh?? Well, when Ronnie went up those 40lbs from one Mr. O to the next, Chad Nichols said it was all due to the protein/carb ratio they used that year!! Wow, let me in on that ratio. ;D I guess he forgot to mention the use of Slin, igf-1, little more HGH oh, and what is that other stuff??Hmmm, oh yeah anabolics! You ever thought of using some of that stuff???  |
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Post by IgnorantBoy on May 10, 2007 20:51:12 GMT -7
Wink Wink! I hope you can get better and better with your beautiful physique, with the help of supplements. I forgot that sleep is also important. So what is your tips of dieting with supplements and sleep. Would it be the best to sleep right after training for the body to repair and grow? I'll agree that I should place higher!!!!! But in answer to your quest for "natural" vs. "supplementation?" Natural BBrs will never get any magazine or attention, because it's just too average..no one strives to see "average" Even the best of the naturals probably wouldn't win a state level contest nowadays. Take a look at the last guy that won the Cal, he looked phenomenal..the best of the best natural competitive bodybuilder probably couldn't stand next to him. Crom is right, huge puts butts in the seat, or was that bencher? The mass monsters don't have aesthetic physiques as perhaps mine is, but that doesn't mean much lately, does it? Look like I need to get bigger!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how I'm gonna do that?? wink wink wink |
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Post by francyjeffers on May 10, 2007 23:20:07 GMT -7
If he sleeps any more than he does....
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